As you can probably guess Misty, I agree with Ben. I totally support a woman’s ability to be equal from a career, rights, and other basic standpoints.
But that does not mean that there shouldn’t be gender roles in a male/female relationship. Whats surprising is that I think most women would agree with us as well – women want men to be MEN. They want us to be strong & confident. That’s what they find attractive.
So if we:
1. Agree on that there needs to be a shared last name for family reasons, and
2. Women want confident strong men – like those that are strong members of a family,
then it needs to be the mans last name because that is what in reality what most woman would find attractive and fulfilling.
I think this is a really good idea. To abstract it out: If you are a man or woman and you are doing things that put your relationship in jeopardy taking a step back from those things for a period of time makes sense.
I’m not saying that playing golf makes Tiger sniff around (pun intended) but I would agree that not playing golf would force him to focus on other things, like his family life.
With that said, can you really imagine Tiger quitting golf?? I could see taking a year off – a hiatus to “get his priorities straight” but quitting altogether? I don’t see that happening.
Yet another debate I’m destined to win. Sital – is it hard consistently losing to my superior logic? Anyone else care to take me on debating a relationship topic??
I agree with you on part of this AT: Every time a girl twirls her hair in the presence of a guy, it doesn’t mean she’s interested. Every guy & girl uses some IOI’s but they are all not the same for everybody
However I do think in dating, just being completely upfront, in clear, articulate speech about whether you like someone is no fun!
This is probably another topic, but personally, I think that deep down, we (we = both guys & girls) enjoy playing “the game”. We like giving a little sign and having the other person pick up on it and understand it’s meaning. It lets us know that the other person is on our same page. It makes us feel understood without us having to say “Yes, I like you.”:)
Sorry the article wasn’t too helpful. We cut Tobias’ ration of cigarettes & South Park episodes this week as punishment.
I do have to disagree with you a bit on point though: If someone was not getting the results they wanted in repeat situations, why should that person not analyze why things aren’t working for them? I think someone SHOULD look at why their approach is not working and figure out how to fix it!
Of course maybe that’s just the “guy” in me always trying to fix things
I think Chris Rock summed this up best:
“Every man has to settle down eventually. You know why you gotta settle down eventually? Because you don’t want to be the old guy in the club. You know what I’m talking about. Every club you go into, there’s always some old guy. He ain’t really old, just a little too old to be in the club.”
So what you’re saying is that you don’t mind hearing the negative things about your BF ex-hobags, you just don’t want to hear the good things?
I can see that. I mean from a guys perspective, I would not mind hearing how much better I am than the last BF. BUT it has to be in SERIOUS moderation. Like once or twice. If my GF were to talk about ex’s more than that, even in a negative light it would make me wonder:
#1 Why does she think about her ex’s so much?? I mean I’m good, but I’m not THAT good.
#2 What’s she sayin about me to other people… hmmm….
Misty! – What a great response. Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion! I’d love to turn your post into a full article and see what others think.
I agree that if you move in prematurely, it can be bad for a relationship. But if you’re giving your boyfriend’s name on beneficiary forms, is it really premature? (see above list for context
I also agree about the intensity of ripping clothes off at the end of the date, but isn’t that why they created alcohol? (I kid, I kid). Seriously though I think that fading intensity has less to do with people living together than how often they are gettin’ busy.
If you’re living with someone and you’re knockin boots 12 times a week, you’re probably not quite as intense on that 12th time.
But if you live together and because you’re both really busy with work & life and that date is the one time in the last week you’ve had a chance to really focus on each other, I would bet your just as eager as if you didn’t share a bedroom.
See, personally I agree with Rachel here. There are perfectly legit times to “lie” to someone. In fact there’s times when I want to be lied to!
When I have my girl over to my mom’s house for dinner and my mom asks her: “Wasn’t my spaghetti delicious?” I don’t want her to say “No” or even “It was ok”. I want her to say say yes (even if it’s not)!
Does that make me less adult? Nah I don’t think so. I think sometimes you just gotta work with the truth to keep things happy.
I really liked your point about the blame being on the mistress. You hear that fellas? If you cheat, it’s not your fault – its the fault of the mistress!
Tracie – welcome to the site! Now let me tell you why you’re wrong
I am certainly not arguing that a woman is a man’s “property”. But don’t you think that when two people get married they should form one family unit? I’m arguing that there is something very symbolic about sharing a last name. How else will people know how to address you on Christmas cards and junk mail ? “Dear Smith and Jones Family,”?
Plus what about the kids (or the dogs in the case of those that won’t have kids)? How will you handle that? Are you going to let little Johnny go to school with no association to one part of his family? As if dealing with puberty isn’t hard enough!
The only way to really do that is for one person to take the others last name.
DEBATE: Should Taking Someone's Last Name Be a Deal Breaker?
March 13th, 2010 at 6:32 pmHey Ben! Welcome to debate!
As you can probably guess Misty, I agree with Ben. I totally support a woman’s ability to be equal from a career, rights, and other basic standpoints.
But that does not mean that there shouldn’t be gender roles in a male/female relationship. Whats surprising is that I think most women would agree with us as well – women want men to be MEN. They want us to be strong & confident. That’s what they find attractive.
So if we:
1. Agree on that there needs to be a shared last name for family reasons, and
2. Women want confident strong men – like those that are strong members of a family,
then it needs to be the mans last name because that is what in reality what most woman would find attractive and fulfilling.
DEBATE: Will Elin Nordegren Divorce Tiger Woods Because of His Cheating?
December 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pmI think this is a really good idea. To abstract it out: If you are a man or woman and you are doing things that put your relationship in jeopardy taking a step back from those things for a period of time makes sense.
I’m not saying that playing golf makes Tiger sniff around (pun intended) but I would agree that not playing golf would force him to focus on other things, like his family life.
With that said, can you really imagine Tiger quitting golf?? I could see taking a year off – a hiatus to “get his priorities straight” but quitting altogether? I don’t see that happening.
6 Reasons Why Girls Make Guys Wait for Sex
December 9th, 2009 at 7:15 pmSo, I totally don’t get the “buying the cow/free milk” thing. Someone please explain
And how long is the amount of time you wait? Does it have to be a set time, or is it just until “it feels right”? I can see the argument both ways.
Will Lamar Odom and Khloe Kardashian Last at least Two Years?
October 29th, 2009 at 11:42 amAh Sital… the devil is in the details my friend…
You see I am not saying they will remain in blissful, loving, devoted marriage for the rest of their lives. We all know celeb couples can be shakey.
All I’m saying is that they are in love “enough” for it to last at least 2 years!
Using your couple examples:
- Nick & Jessica: Married >2 years
(http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1035928_1142096,00.html)
- Carmen & Dave: Married >2 years
(http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1536515/20060717/electra_carmen.jhtml)
- Travis & Shanna: Married 22 months but renewing vows
(http://anythinghollywood.com/2009/03/travis-barker-and-shanna-moakler-getting-re-married/)
I could go on but you see my point. Victory for Riggz!
Will Lamar Odom and Khloe Kardashian Last at least Two Years?
October 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pmYet another debate I’m destined to win. Sital – is it hard consistently losing to my superior logic? Anyone else care to take me on debating a relationship topic??
DEBATE: Go to a Fantasy Football Draft or to a Friends Wedding?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:19 amDamn – poor Sital… getting lit up by the anti-fantasy sports ladies! Looks like I win another debate
How A Guy Knows When He's Got You Hooked
September 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pmI agree with you on part of this AT: Every time a girl twirls her hair in the presence of a guy, it doesn’t mean she’s interested. Every guy & girl uses some IOI’s but they are all not the same for everybody
However I do think in dating, just being completely upfront, in clear, articulate speech about whether you like someone is no fun!
This is probably another topic, but personally, I think that deep down, we (we = both guys & girls) enjoy playing “the game”. We like giving a little sign and having the other person pick up on it and understand it’s meaning. It lets us know that the other person is on our same page. It makes us feel understood without us having to say “Yes, I like you.”:)
Little Known Reasons Why He Won't Marry You
September 21st, 2009 at 10:30 pmHey AT! Thanks for joining the discussion.
Sorry the article wasn’t too helpful. We cut Tobias’ ration of cigarettes & South Park episodes this week as punishment.
I do have to disagree with you a bit on point though: If someone was not getting the results they wanted in repeat situations, why should that person not analyze why things aren’t working for them? I think someone SHOULD look at why their approach is not working and figure out how to fix it!
Of course maybe that’s just the “guy” in me always trying to fix things
Little Known Reasons Why He Won't Marry You
September 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pmI think Chris Rock summed this up best:
“Every man has to settle down eventually. You know why you gotta settle down eventually? Because you don’t want to be the old guy in the club. You know what I’m talking about. Every club you go into, there’s always some old guy. He ain’t really old, just a little too old to be in the club.”
Little Known Reasons Why He Won't Marry You
September 4th, 2009 at 2:40 pmSo Cliffhanger, does the following graph illustrate your point? (btw yes thats what $60k in student loans gets you – thanks business school!)
If You Don't Stop Telling Your Girlfriend These 5 Things, You'll Hate Yourself Later
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 pmSo what you’re saying is that you don’t mind hearing the negative things about your BF ex-hobags, you just don’t want to hear the good things?
I can see that. I mean from a guys perspective, I would not mind hearing how much better I am than the last BF. BUT it has to be in SERIOUS moderation. Like once or twice. If my GF were to talk about ex’s more than that, even in a negative light it would make me wonder:
#1 Why does she think about her ex’s so much?? I mean I’m good, but I’m not THAT good.
#2 What’s she sayin about me to other people… hmmm….
Top 10 Signs that Moving In Together with Your Guy Would be a Good Idea
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pmMisty! – What a great response. Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion! I’d love to turn your post into a full article and see what others think.
I agree that if you move in prematurely, it can be bad for a relationship. But if you’re giving your boyfriend’s name on beneficiary forms, is it really premature? (see above list for context
I also agree about the intensity of ripping clothes off at the end of the date, but isn’t that why they created alcohol? (I kid, I kid). Seriously though I think that fading intensity has less to do with people living together than how often they are gettin’ busy.
If you’re living with someone and you’re knockin boots 12 times a week, you’re probably not quite as intense on that 12th time.
But if you live together and because you’re both really busy with work & life and that date is the one time in the last week you’ve had a chance to really focus on each other, I would bet your just as eager as if you didn’t share a bedroom.
Why It's Ok to Lie to the Person You're Dating
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 pmSee, personally I agree with Rachel here. There are perfectly legit times to “lie” to someone. In fact there’s times when I want to be lied to!
When I have my girl over to my mom’s house for dinner and my mom asks her: “Wasn’t my spaghetti delicious?” I don’t want her to say “No” or even “It was ok”. I want her to say say yes (even if it’s not)!
Does that make me less adult? Nah I don’t think so. I think sometimes you just gotta work with the truth to keep things happy.
DEBATE: Did Steve McNair Deserve to be Shot?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:01 pmTAKE THAT SITAL!
I really liked your point about the blame being on the mistress. You hear that fellas? If you cheat, it’s not your fault – its the fault of the mistress!
DEBATE: Did Steve McNair Deserve to be Shot?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:59 pmAny time the constitution gets brought up in a debate you know its serious. I think the excessive punishment argument makes a lot of sense.
DEBATE: Should Taking Someone's Last Name Be a Deal Breaker?
July 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pmTracie – welcome to the site! Now let me tell you why you’re wrong
I am certainly not arguing that a woman is a man’s “property”. But don’t you think that when two people get married they should form one family unit? I’m arguing that there is something very symbolic about sharing a last name. How else will people know how to address you on Christmas cards and junk mail
? “Dear Smith and Jones Family,”?
Plus what about the kids (or the dogs in the case of those that won’t have kids)? How will you handle that? Are you going to let little Johnny go to school with no association to one part of his family? As if dealing with puberty isn’t hard enough!
The only way to really do that is for one person to take the others last name.